Mike Zimmer remembers pretty much everything that was discussed in his marathon eight-hour interview with General Manager Rick Spielman in early 2014, when the Vikings were looking to find a hands-on football man who could not only re-establish a winning culture but also maintain it.
But if Spielman asked him then to lay out his blueprint for shutting down Aaron Rodgers and the mighty Green Bay Packers offense, Zimmer doesn't recall it.
Sometimes, NFL decision-makers construct teams to combat their division rivals. But Zimmer said his previous employers, the Cincinnati Bengals, were concerned more with building a contender with its own identity than worrying about keeping up with the Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC North.
The way Zimmer and the Bengals saw it, with the belief they had in their organizational philosophies, they would construct a powerhouse and force the rest of the division to adapt to them.
"Let's just get the best players here and let's go play," Zimmer recalled this week. "Let us be the better team, that's what it was all about. And it's kind of the same way here."
Spielman and Zimmer found common ground with that mentality. And in the past 22 months, they have worked together to overhaul an outdated defense, using savvy signings and a fistful of versatile and athletic early-round draft picks to inject youth, speed, attitude and creativity into a unit that has quickly became the class of the NFC North and one of the best in the NFL, too.
The Vikings, winners of five straight games, have gotten contributions in all phases while climbing to first place. But Zimmer's defense, the only one in the league that has allowed fewer than 24 points in every game, is the biggest reason why they are in position to end the Packers' four-year reign in the division.
"They've really done everything right defensively," said former Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns front-office head Joe Banner, now an ESPN analyst. "They've drafted effectively, they've re-signed the right guys and they brought in a free agent here and there to supplement things. And then they coach them really well. So they're 4-for-4 on that."