When the daily briefing with the governor was done, St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter jumped in the car, pulled off his cloth face mask and looked into his camera phone. The former vice president was waiting.
Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, had brought four mayors together to discuss the aftermath of George Floyd's death at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer. As Carter appeared on the video call alongside his counterparts in Atlanta, Chicago and Los Angeles, Biden brought up the idea of creating a police force that personally knows the community it serves. He wondered aloud if such a scenario is a pipe dream.
"No, that's not a pipe dream at all," Carter responded. "One of the things that we're finding is our residents are very willing, if there's an avenue, to speak up and protest peacefully. What they're not willing to do is return to quiet."
In the days since protests erupted around the world in response to Floyd's death, Carter has kept up a constant conversation with other elected officials and the public about what's happening in the Twin Cities and what happens next, including in his own Police Department. In addition to conversations with Biden and mayors across the country, Carter has made numerous national media appearances.
Black mayors across the country are getting similar requests, said McKinley Price, mayor of Newport News, Va., and president of the African American Mayors Association, of which Carter is a member. Like Carter, Price said the conversations are exhausting, but necessary.
"It is, I think, paramount that we take advantage of where people are in their mind-set, because I think everybody thinks it's now time to do something," Price said.
By necessity, the conversation in St. Paul is not just about what happened in Minneapolis. Though public safety reform has been a focal point during Carter's time in office, local activists — and some who served in his administration — have criticized his police accountability record. Unlike Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, however, Carter hasn't come under the same pressure to dismantle or defund the Police Department.
Minneapolis City Council Vice President Andrea Jenkins, who represents the ward where Floyd was killed and is among the council members who've pledged to "begin the process of ending the Minneapolis Police Department," said in an interview that she hopes his death will spur change in St. Paul.